MANA TANGGUNGJAWAB PSSI? TRAGEDI KANJURUHAN: "TAK ADA PERKELAHIAN AREMANIA VS BONEK. INI PEMBUNUHAN"

So, government intervention in this case, PSSI, when holding the match is indeed impossible. This is a profit-oriented match, period, and that's why they're using the FIFA flag. Okay, yes. So, if this summons is not heeded, then demand the highest possible punishment. The 132 lives that were there were human beings, not animals, who, in our opinion, did not deserve to be slaughtered, as we call them.

Innalillahi wa inna ilaihi rajiun. I'm having a hard time finding an opening for this episode. We're still grieving. I'd rather not mention the number because one supporter's death is more than enough to illustrate how irrelevant we are to talking about football. I don't find any common ground between one death and football. Football is joy. Football is unifying. And then something happened, something that deeply saddened us in Kanjuruhan

in Malang a few days ago. Many of our brothers and sisters died. Today I will speak with people I deem worthy of it, and indeed, we really need information about it. First, Kang Dedek, thank you for coming to my small studio. You're welcome, Bang. Chairman of Commission 10 of the Indonesian House of Representatives, Mr. Dede Yusuf from the Democratic Party Faction. Second, my old friend, Mr. Sarman Elhakim.

Who? The chairman of the Indonesian football community, a person who has run for chairman of the PSSI four times . Last time, I ran as one of the candidates, which I later revealed on a TV channel that I was asked for money by someone in the PSSI, which can still be seen on YouTube, and he was the chairman and candidate for chairman. On the other end of the phone, it turned out that my friend was an Aremania. Andri, how are you? Andi

Indra. Indra. Indra. Indra. Indra. Indonesia. Hello. One soul greeting. Yes. Okay. The reason I invited you, Mas ee Indra, is because the Aremania community has filed a summons against several people, including the President of the Republic of Indonesia. We will hear later what the reason for the summons is. I'll start with the name of the chairman of Commission 10 of the

Indonesian House of Representatives. Kang Dede. What is the DPR's current stance regarding this extraordinary grief? Yes. Yes. Just two days ago, we issued a press release, more or less demanding three main points. The first is that someone must be held accountable. Of course, someone must be held accountable, and there must be a definite suspect. Okay. Second, we're asking that this be resolved from a humanitarian perspective, including

empathy and sympathy for the victims and their families. Yes. Both by the government, the league clubs, and everyone involved. Now, the third point is actually something we also think is urgent. Yes, when we talk about football, football is a favorite sport for the public, and it exists all over the world, and it should provide a sense of

security, a sense of comfort, and if we say it's the enjoyment of watching sports. Well, Law Number 11 of 2022 concerning Sports already provides a state of affairs there. Article 54 states that organizing matches must prioritize security, a sense of comfort , and, uh, what, uh, the point is comfort. I forget the details. This means organizers are obliged to provide a sense of security, comfort, and, what's it called? Enjoyment. Well, in

the derivatives, we also create supporter issues. Yes. Yes, supporters are also entitled to insurance coverage, and secondly, security. A little closer, Kang. Sorry, yes. Also, security for supporters can participate in the spectacle. We also have to provide education to supporters . Supporters must be registered. Where

are they registered? Registered with their club or registered with the sports association, in this case, for example, PSSI. Yes. So there are no uncontrollable supporters, so that the connecting will be that supporters also become part of the football industry itself. Okay, yes. Well, unfortunately, the derivative regulations that would

actually serve as standard operating procedures (SOPs) agreed upon by all stakeholders are not yet in place. That's why Commission 10 requested that the government, together with football stakeholders, immediately issue standard operating procedures (SOPs), which are regulations derived from laws . So, the security forces and the organizers use the same legal umbrella, which is actually equivalent to the statute. That's roughly it, bro.

Sorry, I want to file a lawsuit. This isn't the first incident involving football riots. Although the number of victims is extraordinary. There's a list. Let's try to show you a list of football victims around the world. Well , this is the largest, this is in Peru, in Lima, in South America, 328 people, ee in Indonesia. I honestly still doubt this number because, ee, what's it called, some say it's bigger than this, and

there are many others. Okay, let's go back to Indonesia, ee, this isn't the first, Kang Dede. You, especially as a Bobotoh fan, were once with Persip when you were deputy governor. But why then are we not very capable, is that the right word? We are not very capable of adapting the culture of watching between the parties? What happened to our football world? Yes, actually, there are many answers. Many. The first thing is that football

originates from the community. Yes, it's been watched by the public since, perhaps, the 1960s. Okay. And it started with Tarkam (local tournaments) watching on the field, then it evolved into stadiums. Now, if we want to talk about why this is happening? There are still riots all over the world, but it's just how they're handled. So, this is a problem of sports management. If left

unchecked, sports management in various places around the world could lead to riots, usually fanaticism and so on. But when there's no sports management or sports management involved, let's say, in the organization itself. So, it's as if the organization is still as it is, still like watching in a mediocre stadium with a spectator capacity exceeding the number of tickets. Not to mention, there are a lot of people allowed in freely, and

sometimes children are allowed in freely too. So far, management hasn't been carried out properly, so as long as thousands of people are in one place , anything can happen. That's why sports management is necessary. And if we look at what FIFA has issued in recent years, it already explains the problem with the FIFA statutes. Then there are the rules, for example, prohibiting the use of smoke bombs, gas , and firearms. There are already many

equivalent rules, actually, there are already many rules. The question is: in Indonesia, the National Sports Law (SKN ) is the only Sports Law, namely the National Sports System, which was created in 2004. If I'm not mistaken, we just changed it yesterday in 2022. And we've included supporter security, insurance coverage, and so on. Well, I'm sorry, the government should make derivative regulations as soon as

possible. Ah, that's our problem, eh, regarding the creation of laws. Before I get to Mr. Sarman, one last question before we discuss further. What is the working relationship between the DPR and PSSI like? Does PSSI receive funding from the state or something else? How? If I get information, ee, from the Ministry of Youth and Sports, because we are partners with the Ministry of Youth and Sports,

the Ministry of Youth and Sports does not provide funds to PSSI. Okay. So that means PSSI does not use state funds. Hehe. Because it has its own authority, and PSSI can be said to be directly involved with FIFA because it is part of what we call the FIFA regime. Yes. This means we cannot demand from PSSI the budget used. They get it from

sponsors, they get it from other sources, and uh, they ask for this so they have the freedom to carry out their budgetary functions. We get what, our respective positions, right? He Sarman. Ready. You just came back from Malang. Yes. As far as I know, you are very, very, what do you call it? Understand the

problems at PSSI. What actually happened in Malang? I'm not trying to delve back into what the media has been discussing for days, but I want to highlight what happened in Malang and then this grief, why did it have to be so quiet? Yes, actually, if we want to be fair, uh, it was murder, murder, murder carried out by security forces using tear gas. That's the hard line. Why is that? Because I'm sure the

organizers or the police had a work agreement, a work agreement with the security forces to secure the 2*45 match, and the organizers asked for assistance. Well, I read the letter from the organizers to the Chief of Police, eh, to the Chief of Police, it said assistance. Even though the match was professional or profit-oriented. Okay. Right? Well, if it was profit-oriented, then the handling had to be professional, not amateurish.

That's why I went back to the worksheet or work agreement sheet. Pre-match. Yes. Uh, two weeks or two weeks before, it had to be issued. There was a work opportunity that the organizers asked for, uh, assistance, the sentence was for what security with criteria that the organizers already knew, such as not being allowed to carry sharp weapons, not being allowed to carry tear gas. Yes, the main thing that was said today is FIFA regulations. Now, if

the work agreement is attached by, uh, submitted to the Chief of Police and the Chief of Police has already** secondh, already shook hands, then it just needs to be known now, right? The document came out suddenly, it wasn't there, but the police brought it, so it's proven that the police were the ones who violated the agreement. Wait a minute, wait a minute. I'm a bit confused about this, because we also have footage of how the police actually

tried to identify the problem and prepare themselves. So, let's show you the footage. First, please, no members should be carrying firearms. So, if there are any, whether senior non-commissioned officers or officers, please detain them immediately. Second, please, no one should use excessive violence. Whatever the dynamics, please don't use excessive violence. Just adjust the threat we face to the use of the force we have. Third, I ask for

your help, fellow officers, to fully supervise and control your fellow members. Please, don't eat anyone. Now, there's also a letter requesting that, what is it called? There was a change in the match schedule, moved from the evening to the afternoon, which then sparked a debate about the TV ratings for the TV broadcasting it. Please show me the letter. Here's the letter. On the second point, in connection with the reference above, I hereby request

assistance from PPEL Arema FC to submit a request to PT Liga Indonesia to change the schedule of the 2022 BRI Liga 1 soccer match. Regarding the planned soccer match between Arema and Persebaya on Saturday, October 1, 2022, which was originally scheduled for 8 PM , to be moved up to 3:30 PM for security reasons. Going back to what you said earlier. If this is the situation, who is actually responsible? It seems the

police have tried to anticipate it. Hey, that's why I want to clarify first : is this a professional or amateur match? Professional, of course. Okay. Professional. Paid for, seeking profit. But regarding security, there's a phrase: this security assistance is social. This is socialist, you know. As for security assistance, it's just minimal. That's

why I said the work agreement between the Police Chief and the organizers must be published so it will be known there. The Police Chief said it verbally, but where is the verbal statement? Where is the written letter? Isn't that the mechanism or, uh, whatever we call it, what we see in a big football match? Okay, let me give you an example . I watch football not only in Indonesia.

Yes. If people say only 40,000 fans, Rp, 000 , the World Cup is Rp millions. Okay. The European Cup is Rp millions. I was once in Iran, there were 120,000 spectators. Spectators. Okay. Not a single glass was broken. In Peru in 1962, there were more than 380 people who died,

that was in 1964, right? Yes. I once went there to watch it live, uh, the Indonesian Embassy was shocked when I came home from watching. Sarman, how did you get there? I said I was watching football. So when I asked for directions to the Brong area, people said, "Where are you going?""I want to watch football.""Show me the stadium." No one poked me because football is Brotherhood.

Yes. So if it's strange, for example, Arema Mania, it's said, ee, are the supporters arrogant, leaving or entering the stadium or onto the field, right? It's strange, right? That's local culture, every club can do that, what kind of celebration, what's the joy when the match is over, and this is over, and this tear gas was sprayed after the match was over. Well, I indicated that

maybe the security personnel who came to secure this have never seen a match or been a security guard at a football match because their emotions are different. Maybe they were shocked and they held that weapon. So it goes back to the police. The work agreement letter should be published, that document should be. That's what the government is holding on to. Why should the police open it? Shouldn't all the responsibility be on the organizing

committee? Yes, sir. The panel asked, asked for help, right, with letters, letters, letters, regulations that were said today are very funny, Kang Dede. Today it was just published that FIFA is not allowed or not allowed , ee, security personnel carry tear gas or weapons, maybe it hasn't happened before. Wow, the police are extraordinary, huh. You want to say they brought it before,

because it didn't happen. Maybe it already happened. Oh. Why is it that today PSSI and the public know, oh, security guards aren't allowed to bring tear gas, only today? And if it's related to the Peru incident, we've experienced an extraordinary setback in 1964. I know what happened, right? Well, now this isn't a fight between spectators, a fight between players. No.

This is the strangest incident in my opinion. Okay, that's it. We're going to Malang. Mr. Indra. Can you hear me? Yes, yes. I hear his voice. Mr. Indra, try to explain it to us here. Coincidentally, the deputy chairman of Commission 10 is here, your representative is in the House of Representatives. What happened, and why did we have to file a summons against various parties, including the

Presidents? Hey, bro. It's actually quite difficult for us to always explain this, and always explain this, and we always get emotional when explaining this. And please understand that and please forgive us if that happens. First, I would like to thank all the Indonesian supporters who have shown us respect, including our brothers Bonek Mania, Boboto Viking, The Jack, and others who I can't mention individually, who have shown us

immense respect. And this shows that this isn't a case of Aremania, not a case of Arema, this is a very shameful national football case. First, second, the 132 lives currently with us are human, not animals that we don't deserve to be slaughtered, as we call them. It's not right for them to then talk about the condition of the stadium , blah blah blah, and all that. When it comes to stadium conditions, where is there a stadium in Indonesia other than

GBK, which is of international standard ? If we want to talk about professional football, as Bang Admali said earlier, there are professional clubs that have their own stadiums, all of which are still borrowed from local governments. Then talking about professional football specifications is. But right now, let's not divert attention to where? Here, according to our data, 132 people have died, and there are still hundreds more who are

injured and still unconscious in the emergency room. Please, just one word of apology for this incident, we haven't heard it. Hm. No apology, bro. I myself was trying to find my son who was also in the stadium . His cell phone was dead, everything was dead. It turned out my son was evacuating his friends. So this is extraordinary, very extraordinary. If it is true that these supporters were

rioting, what kind of rioting was it? Because when the final whistle sounded, for several minutes it was still peaceful, players were hugging supporters. Supporters came down onto the field to give motivation. Why do you keep losing? Keep your spirits up, don't lose again. Not hitting, not hitting them. Even if there was throwing, it was normal, not very injurious. If then it had to be responded to with kicks, responded to

with punches, responded to with tear gas that was buried, where there were girls and on average these women and children were the victims. This is sadistic, very embarrassing. Hm. We demand, we demand a thorough investigation. Please through Bang Akbar's channel. Please monitor us, sir . Monitor this case. Yes. Try showing the Aremania lawsuit. You mentioned several points there. I

want to emphasize several points. The first point of your lawsuit says this: urging the President of the Republic of Indonesia, the Minister of Youth and Sports, the Chief of Police, the Commander of the Indonesian National Armed Forces, the Indonesian House of Representatives, the Chairman of the Indonesian Football Association (PSSI), and the Director of the Arema Management League to issue a public apology through national media within

three days of this public summons being served. The third point demands the perpetrators be named suspects within three days of the public summons being served. I'll go straight to the seventh point, what's it called, which we can discuss now: urging the state, in this case represented through state institutions such as the National Human Rights Commission (Komnas HAM), the National Police Commission (Kompolnas), the Indonesian National Military Police

(POM TNI), and others, to immediately conduct a transparent, comprehensive, accountable, and integrated investigation into the tragedy that has resulted in 131 fatalities. Preliminary data. The eighth point: urging the President, the Chief of Police, and the Commander of the Indonesian National Armed Forces (TNI) to conduct a comprehensive evaluation of the tragedy that occurred, which claimed the lives of both supporters and police officers.

Mr. Indra, I was supposed to be here earlier, there was a representative from the TGIPF. Uh, I was supposed to be sent by Mr. Akmal Mahali or Joy, but it turns out I couldn't join because I had another schedule. Mr. Laudi Sarif also had to leave for Bali. Mr. Minister of Law and Human Rights, sorry , not the Minister of Law and Human Rights. Coordinating Minister for Political, Legal, and Security Affairs, Mr. Mahfud, as the chairman of the

TGIPF, has worked quickly and I heard it was very strong because based on the Presidential Decree, he has prepared a so-called recommendation, one of which is to temporarily suspend Leagues 1, 2, and 3. I heard that PSSI tried to negotiate so that League 2 would continue. When League 2 was banned, they still hoped that League 3 would continue. But it turned out that all of that was rejected. I heard that PSSI was not involved in this TGIPF because

it is the object of the future examination. Neither is the Pantpel, nor is the league. Did I ask Mr. Indra before I went to the DPR, was that not enough or what, Mr. Indra, while we wait for the results? Ready. We issued this summons before we knew what was happening in Jakarta. Oh, one. Second, we issued this summons based on our psychological condition and emotional feelings here in Malang.

Yes, how parents no longer trust the stadium , no longer trust the police. We have to protect all of that. It was very tense here yesterday. Our focus yesterday was on how families could find the bodies of their children and their families. There were still missing, yes, at that time, there were still many scattered in hospitals until finally collected at one of the provincial

hospitals, Seful Anwar Bung Hospital. Yes. There were still many more who were not recorded. Those who were not recorded were those who were not posted by the hospital staff who were forced to immediately return home to their families, and those were not in Malang. This was spread from Jember to Magetan. Wow. This reached Magetan. Tulung Agung was full of people, this is an

extraordinary tragedy. Mr. Indra, do you think that Mr. Sarman mentioned this very extreme term, murder? I want to ask you a question before I move on to the DPR. Who do you think is most responsible for this incident? If we must use the word responsible. Yes. My summons is clear. From that summons, it is clear who should be held responsible. Yesterday we also met with Kompolnas, Kom Nasham, and even earlier

today with Ombusen. We are all behind it. Let's all work together to stop lying. Why? There are two teams there, in quotation marks, security forces: the police and the TNI. Hmm. Please, in the Polri team itself, there are two with different uniforms, as we have already mentioned. Who are they? Aalam. I don't know. I'm not used to being there. Okay. On the police side. Please, what's

going on? H. These facts that I am conveying are based on what happened in the field, and this is the first time I've said that there were two police officers there dressed differently. One was dressed as a normal police officer, BRIM and all sorts. The other was dressed in black, I don't know what it was. Hmm. Okay, Mas Indra, of course we can see that on TV because this, ee, has

even become a major report in various international media outlets in America and Europe. I'm going to the House of Representatives, Kang Dede. Uh, ultimately, we'll talk about who represents whom. Yes, I want to know what's on the minds of our friends in the House of Representatives so that this can be resolved. We support the TGVF, but then we'll no longer talk about football, but also talk about grief, especially death.

Actually, in the past two days, we've been trying to invite them. Okay. Starting with the Kapori, then PSSI, ee Liga, Kemenpora, and so on for a RDP with us. Okay, yes, since yesterday and today. But we got a reply that currently the TGPF team and those we invited are still in Malang. Yes. Okay. So we gave a deadline until tomorrow

for us to invite them. So, that's why our friends have started talking. If necessary, we'll make this a special committee. Okay. But for the special committee process, of course, it must involve other commissions. Yes, a commission like that. I'm a commission, including one, perhaps because the TNI is involved. So , of course, this is a process. So,

yesterday, we discussed with our colleagues, because we've entered recess. We'll monitor the TGP first. The results of this TGPF will then be used as a kind of parameter for us to further investigate whether there's anything wrong. Because in my opinion, the context is that we shouldn't be looking for someone who is responsible for the lowest level. Okay. We need to be clear. In this matter, the one responsible is X. In this

matter, for example, the one responsible is B. This means that not all of them can be treated the same. If we were talking earlier about security, there are some who are in this color, there are some who are in that color. I think the Chief of Police has also given, uh, what's the name of the attitude, to dismiss the Chief of Police. Oh, he's been

removed. He's been removed, he's been removed. Then the following Danton-Danton or whatever has been removed from BR TNI Commander I also saw in the media the Regional Police Chief hasn't been the Regional Police Chief hasn't been the Regional Police Chief yet. Oh, the Regional Police Chief hasn't been? So this is what we said earlier, who is

actually most responsible? Okay. Right? Is it the Regional Police Chief or the Regional Police Chief? It's the TGPF that will...will...will conduct an investigation. We, because Commission 10's field is sports. Yes. Of course, the Ministry of Youth and Sports 'affairs. Then, uh, the matter will be with the PSSI. Even if it can be developed to the League. Including maybe we will ask TV, why TV includes

it at night? Well, that's one of the most frequently asked questions now. Right. Actually, uh, in my history, I also often appeal to clubs or leagues to please not play at night. We have also done this, yes, at the suggestion of security because security always says it's better to play in the afternoon. Okay. Right. Well, there is a saying among supporters that it's not the clubs who determine this schedule, but

the security forces. Hm. But actually there's no problem. The most important thing is that we want to watch safely and comfortably. Okay. Right? So, indeed, there's no problem with moving it. But it's true that there was a letter stating that the request for security to move was rejected. Of course, we have to ask who is

actually in charge? Is it the League or the Panberp? Uh, the League or the TV panel. Okay. Ultimately, this is all about the ratings. Yes. Well, there's a lot of money involved. Right. Because this is a sila industry. So, once again, uh, we respect the TGP. Let's not overlap. So the DPR is

investigating, the TGPF is investigating the same people over and over again, right? Second, we respect our Aremania friends who are currently grieving. Okay. It's impossible for us to continue trying to trace this far during this time of grief. So, friends, some of you , if I'm not mistaken, Mr. Ahmad Basarah has already been there to meet with our friends at Iya. And that's his electoral district,

right? He's been here since day 1. Well, friends have also said, "Let's visit our friends there." And we said we'll give our Aremania friends time to calm down. The governments of East Java Province, Malang Regency, and Malang City will first complete their obligations until our victims are buried, and so on. In the end, I have to talk about the PSSI. Yes. Because we're talking about that domain. But earlier, you said that

there's no direct relationship between the working mechanisms of Commission 10 and/or the DPR on behalf of the DPR and the PSI because they are actually FIFA's official body. That's right. But then, like it or not, we have to talk about it and try to find a way to hold them accountable. Especially since it's already like this. What should PSSI actually do, Kang Dede? PSSI has been around for a long time,

since the beginning, more or less, uh, more or less the same in its performance. More or less the same. But can I add a little, bro? I'll cut it off a bit, bro. Okay. Because what's this mistake about? Thinking that football is just FIFA has been around for decades. Huh. In fact, football has two ideologies: socialist and capitalist. When did it become socialist, when did it become capitalist? This is very

important because we were once benched by FIFA, right? Okay, we'll talk about that. But what I mean is, this is not within the framework of oversight, because we don't have that mechanism. How then do we treat PSSI in the face of national football, or vice versa, how PSSI treats us as football spectators? That was my question to Kang Dede earlier. We'll talk about its ideology later. Kang

Dede, what next? How? So, let me continue because we understand that almost every sport is the domain of its federations. Yes. Yes. In the context of FIFA, they do have statutes that apply only inside the stadium. They don't apply outside the stadium. So, if the government intervenes with ee, in this case, PSSI, when holding a match, it really can't. But if, for example, we create a law,

for example, if a problem occurs, then the sports branch, or in this context, the Indonesian Football Association ( PSSI), can ask the government to mediate. Okay. This means mediating is to, let's say, what's it called? Finding a way out. So , you can ask the government because it's impossible, for example, for the government to directly intervene. That happened during Imam Naraw's time, if

I'm not mistaken. Yes. Right? And PSSI sent a letter to FIFA, and FIFA issued another letter stating that the government cannot intervene. Huh. So, this situation really comes back to an ethical issue. Yes. So, it's up to the football community to assess PSSI's performance. So, once again, according to the regulations,

the institution is the government or the House of Representatives (DPR), because there's no budget allocated by the DPR. Okay. They can't intervene in PSSI. That's why we created a regulation through Article 54, which we gave the function to the organizers, the committee ( Panpel), who are responsible, not PSSI. It gets complicated if that's the story because

it turns out that the "ee"(ie) has quotation marks, which provide room for them to say, "You can't go too far." I experienced that when I was a candidate , right? I how then they protect each other's voters but will also be elected so they are players and referees like that Mr. Sarman, you are one of those people who are a bit extreme towards PSSI. Not a bit extreme, you are very extreme. Yes.

In your opinion, is PSSI today actually moving forward or does it actually prefer to always be behind? Uh, it's a bit difficult to answer because actually, PSSI today, if it is said that it is carrying out the goals of national football ordered by the government, there is Law Number 3 of 2019 on the acceleration of football, the President's order, the Presidential Decree, is not being implemented,

why is it not being implemented, I went around all the provinces, not even one, because Why? Because PSSI has no planning. Are the Regional Aspr Aspr working? They are not working. I'll take DKI as an example, which is closest to us. Hm. East, West, South. Try checking whether there are activities? There are no activities. Where is the office? Under the stadium in Ciraca. I just returned

from Medan. The office has not been operating for almost a year. So what do you think PSS is? That's why I'm so concerned about the Kajoran incident. We've just explained that this is a profit-oriented match, period, and they're using the FIFA flag. Okay, yes. So if this summons isn't heeded, then demand the highest possible compensation for the ruby. That's why I'm going to say to my brother, this is

a one-soul greeting, okay? What and why did KOV IPAM's reaction immediately provide assistance? This is an insult. It's not allowed. He doesn't know the cause, he provided assistance. What's the problem? If he's helped, that's good. Yes, that's good. But he's a leader. The leader of East Java, he saw his people die, didn't he look for the cause? It's like that. Oh, maybe it's one thing to help, but what is it called providing a solution? It's

another thing. Bro, yesterday I, Bro, I , wait... In my mind, what's the cause? He lost the 2*45 match and he didn't react in that match. That means the supporters are already orderly, right? Okay. I also have an idea because the parking lot in front of the stadium is very spacious, right? The road to it is also conducive. There

must be no trigger for them to act anarchically. I just saw what the cause was. Oh, 15 or 20 minutes after the match, the door hadn't been opened. Maybe the little kid was hot, he couldn't stand it anymore, he wanted to go out. What surprised us was that he was shot with tear gas. I suggested that Aremania continue the action and asked for what was that? The cooperation agreement between the Police Chief and the Pampel. If, for

example, it's found that there was no agreement to bring tear gas, we will find out who the perpetrators were and what their goals were. Okay. Nra. Is it true that this isn't actually an Aremania problem and what is it called, what is it, Surabaya, what is it? Bonek Bonek Surabaya. Close it. No wait, I heard me say this, Aremania is angry because it's the first time

they've lost at home in decades. Hey, try explaining to our audience here, Bang. This disorderly and unsafe incident isn't just in Malang. Geez. First, the Persebaya vs. RAN match was at the same time as the curfew in Sidoarjo. It was crowded all the way to Surabaya, but there wasn't a single tear gas canister there. Hm. That's even worse, Bon's friends, and in Malang, there was no presence of our beloved Bonek Mania brothers. There

wasn't any. There was no fight between Aremania and Bonek Mania. There wasn't any. Okay. Just like when Persip came, Bobo welcomed us all, there was no fight, everything was safe, and we lost to Persip. There wasn't any fight. We lost to Persid. Hm. We lost to Persija, and there was no problem. There

wasn't a problem, and this problem isn't about the match, Bang. That's right. This is the kick. The final match whistle was sounded, it was still safe. Supporters come to the players for support, maybe hugging them is a different story if they win. Otherwise, if they win, their jerseys will definitely be stolen. Well, because they lost, they just hugged them and gave them support. Let's stay motivated

, stay motivated because this match isn't just this, it's still long. Well, at that time, there was a pause of a few minutes, which we have in our chronology, that there was a pause of a few minutes, it was still safe. Okay. So then there was a response from the security forces who thought it might be part of a riot. Which riot? Everything was safe. If the riot was not safe, the Persebaya football team wouldn't have

arrived at the hotel safely. There's no way Aji Santo, a coach, would have spoken in a way that wasn't comfortable . There wasn't a single attack on our team. So who is this, what is this, bro? Mas Indra. Okay. I want to ask you, uh, some of your demands have been conveyed, that the summons was made before there was any response from the government through what is called the TGPF. Uh, some of those things have

been done. What's the follow-up to your summons? Still, bro. We only listen to what our brothers and sisters in the field want. What our brothers and sisters want is that they leave a message to us for 7 days from the incident. If there are no suspects, no suspects named, the brothers and sisters will take to the streets to turn Malang city blue, turn Malang Raya blue. I don't know what else I can do, I can't do anything

there, but the message is there. So what's the reason? One thing is so many , ee, like the police, ee, even the chairman of the council, not a single one has spoken out and apologized. I apologize that my people have died because of this incident. Please apologize first. No one is apologizing right now, everyone is talking about this murder case. Oh, please apologize first to the people. We, the people, were hurt. We, the people, were killed.

Massacred. Why isn't anyone apologizing ? Yes. Who am I? We, the people, whose people? Then whose people are we? If we come to this country, there won't be any apologies. Yes. I don't understand. Ee, of course, this is fundamental, this is Kang Dede, what he asked for, the initial stage is an apology. Okay. Um, I think there will be rapid developments, ee, from

the developments of this case, because ee, Mr. Mahfud seems to be going all-round to immediately make a recommendation or resolution to this problem. From the DPR's side, I heard that Kang Dedek was considering perhaps having a special committee, ee, between commissions and all sorts, but he also said to let the TGPF ( Fighting Team) work first. I think that's a very wise approach. But from the DPR's side, first, because these

are our representatives. Yes. We don't want it to happen again, Kang Diadik. I even did something I rarely do, asking FIFA. Try to show it to FIFA . I asked FIFA to cancel Indonesia as the organizer of ee, ee, what's the name of that, ee, 2000 waqf, ee, 22, what is this for, 20 years old? Yes. And then, ee, I even said I don't trust the PSSI, yes. Because, yes, besides my experience, we'll see how

the quality of our football is, it still speaks of us being proud of winning against Guam 14-0. In my opinion, it's no longer the time for us to talk about Guam, or Nepal and all that. I also mentioned on Twitter that one life is worth more than 1,000 matches, and I asked the Indonesian Football Association (PSSI) to take responsibility. As the head of the sports commission, we'd like to hear

what you think is the closest thing you can do. I'm interested, Mas Indra. In this context, the first is a humanitarian issue. Okay. No one has apologized yet. That means whether it's from PSSI, the League, the Sports Committee (PANPEL), or even state institutions. Okay. I see this as an obligation for the

state, and because I happen to be part of the state system, I represent Commission 10. Mas Indra, if you're still listening to me, Commission 10 also drafts sports laws. We apologize to our Arimania friends, thank God. Thank you for the law we've drafted, but it turns out the government hasn't finalized its implementing regulations. So, we apologize, Mr. Indra, to all of you,

even though we weren't there, but at least on behalf of Commission 10, we convey my respects. My condolences to our fellow Aremania fans and their families. We apologize that we haven't been able to do something more quickly. But trust me, Mr. Indra, we will investigate this thoroughly. We will monitor, we will monitor all of these issues so that those responsible must be held accountable. And after all, football is a sport loved by the people

, and football must continue to exist. Don't let this suddenly stop people from playing football. There are more than 100,000 people who depend on football for their livelihood. We have to fix it, Mr. Indra. Allow it. Thank you, bro. Thank you to us. Allow us, thank you all. Allow us, Commission 10, to immediately urge the government to create derivative regulations. We will monitor how supporters, how security, and how

standards are implemented. How do we learn from various systems, what are they called, that exist abroad, so that once again, uh, what's it called, Bang Akbar, the security forces don't use the Criminal Code as their legal umbrella. Yes, the legal umbrella in this context is the sports law, which is a derivative regulation of the TIVA statute, so the context is actually because the

perception will be different. Second, what should be done? What can be done in the near future is we will continue to monitor and investigate. If necessary, we will invite them back, and if, for example, what about PSSI? We will urge the Ministry of Youth and Sports government, the Ministry of Youth and Sports, to take immediate action, such as issuing a stern warning to PSSI. Because once again, the PSSI regime is the FIFA regime. Okay.

When sanctions are imposed on an organization, that organization is anti-doping. Anti-doping. Yes. So the Ministry of Youth and Sports together with Koi will go there to lobby so that we are not sanctioned. Yes. FIFA could impose sanctions. This means that if FIFA imposes sanctions, we cannot play. We cannot host or hold events. And this also raises doubts about whether it's detrimental to the

country. But the government could reprimand PSSI and ask them how they can obtain, say, sanctions to resolve the existing problems so as not to tarnish Indonesia's reputation abroad. Bro, I actually wanted to ask how much power do you think PSSI has vis-à-vis the club owners? Because it seems like one of the problems lies there. If I were to ask how strong it is, it's a bit difficult to say because, again, it's one of the sports that's already

independent, so whoever recognizes it, it must be recognized. It doesn't receive any state assistance. It can seek sponsorship funds wherever it can, and it can secure broadcasting rights. The government can't intervene directly. The House of Representatives can't intervene either. But there are ethics involved. So, going back to the ethics mentioned earlier, when this problem arose, the best ethics is for PSSI to

improve itself. That's my answer. What I think the most we can do right now is improve ourselves. What form will that take? We'll wait. At least we can see what the TGIPF recommendations will take. Yes, that's right. Mr. Sarman, I'll pass the question to you. I'm probably not very familiar with the psychology of PSSI and the clubs, but we can see how PSSI adapts in many ways to what the club owners have agreed to.

Where's the problem, really? P doesn't know anything. The chairman doesn't know anything. Okay. Why? Because he can't differentiate between socialism and capitalism. Socialism is state-owned. The hierarchy is PDA, PON, SEA Games, Asen Games, and the Olympics. Okay. It's ridiculous if the state doesn't fund football, which has a hierarchy of

achievement levels. Now, who's the capitalist? This club. Well, I have a strong point here. Yesterday's match was called capitalist profit between clubs, right? Now, who owns it, then FIFA owns it. Hmm. This demands the highest possible level of demands. That's why all European clubs reacted because the match was between clubs, not between countries. Now, if there's an issue from PSSI,

like, oh, we'll be banned by FIFA because we have the World Cup, there's the U-19, there's the U-17. Eh, that means you don't understand. This international match won't be banned by FIFA. When we were banned by FIFA, it wasn't because FIFA was banned, but because the Jokowi government, through its Minister of Youth and Sports, banned sports activities. That's why we were banned, but in the end, we weren't banned, we were

kicked out. Kicked out. And we were active again at the FIFA congress in Mexico, where Mr. Hincah attended. Well, Mr. Inc should have explained it at that time, but why didn't he? That's why I said today that PSI and the government don't understand football. Little by little, little by little. No, Boss. H. If we look further, FIFA wouldn't have kicked out PSSI as it is today, or

Indonesia today. Because when FIFA wanted to add members, the late Suratin came to Europe, right? Even though we weren't independent, FIFA needed members. So today, if we have a strong history, it's actually very strong. Well, one more thing, PSSI suddenly said we will continue running League 2, League 3. What's the context? The context is broadcasting rights, the context is business, the context is gambling.

And please note, the owner, I apologize Inda, 99 is Aremania and is currently undergoing legal proceedings. Someone reported PSSI for allowing gambling to enter football, namely League 1. There are three clubs, Persikabo, PSIS, and Arema. What does that mean? There is a 99 logo on their jerseys. Wait a minute, I'm not very sociable. What is 99? Yes, a gambling site. Gambling site.

Yes. Well, that's the question, right? So if we want to expose everything, Bang Akbar, actually PSI no longer exists because it violated Indonesian positive law which to this day prohibits gambling from entering sports. I'm asking the Minister of Youth and Sports , our name, if he wants me to correct him, can I correct him? I'm ready, ready, it's

not 99, but a gambling site. Gambling site. Gambling site, not 99. If 99 is synonymous with the boss of 99 who is said to be a jerk, I don't know. Oh, myself. Uh, previously, there was the name of the robot that was arrested by the Criminal Investigation Agency. Oh, okay. Not only in Arema, but also in

Persebaya. In several clubs owned by Crasirit-Cresit. Oh yeah. Okay. Thank you. Let me continue. I don't know, I'm not very sociable about that. So if Bang Abar asks that, I mean, Bang, night matches only happen in Indonesia. Abroad, the matches are just the opening and closing matches like the World Cup. All of them are after Asr

after 00:00, the closing and opening matches are played at night because there are ceremonies. In Europe it's the same. I went to Latin America too. I went to Chile, to Peru, wherever I went, there were definitely no night matches. Now, the question is, why did you let this happen and this hasn't been going on for 1 or 2 years, today it's been decades.

So if that's the story, the TG IPF will definitely investigate Indosier later, right? It's not me being funny, TG and this fact-finding team, right? Most of Anton knows why he didn't protest before—why Akmal was like that tonight too, you know. So I liken this team of 9 formed by the Melawi government to creating modern football. I know that everyone here, Bang Akbar, knows how the process for electing the chairman of Umpsi, how to do it for ESC

. It hasn't changed. If I assume that today, Mr. Jokowi can build dozens of toll roads, yes, build dozens of toll roads, open positive things, but if he can't complete the PSSI, nothing in my opinion. Yes. What's the last question for Bang Sarman? Huh. Do you have a very progressive proposal? What kind of new federation do you have

? Remember history, Bang. Remember history. When Suratin came to Europe, he came back from Germany, right? He came to Jogja and saw, "Oh, there are so many natives playing football, right ?" He asked, "Do you compete?""No.""Why ?""We don't have an organization." Mr. Suratin said that's our level, we can't enter. This is the historical fact, right. Okay, then I'll bring my wish to Europe. He came to FIFA and said, "Mr.

FIFA, whatever his name is, we want to have an organization. FIFA couldn't do it at that time. You didn't have a country name, what's the name?" Okay. But we wanted, well, based on the natives, then there was a football organization called the Dutch East Indies. But right? Yes, but now this is no longer possible. We have FIFA, already approved PSSI. Maybe your proposal is too progressive, right?

No, not progressive because these natives became PSSI, right? There used to be NIFU, right? Yes. Nivu. Well, Nivu is Dutch, right. Now, is PSIS the same as Nivu? Not the same. With the naturalization program, it's the same, back again, in the past, the Dutch came in, hitched a ride to marriage, yes, today we are getting married again, or

eh, why are the Dutch getting married again, hitched a ride, it's called football, okay, this is AVU, it's a place for people to talk, we exchange opinions here and listen to each other, we listen, this is the most progressive opinion from Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Sarman, ee LH Hakim. Oh , finally, briefly, Mr. Indra, I want to talk about the victims. Has everything been returned to their

families, and how, what is it called, Pampel, is paying attention to the victims? First, I would like to say a huge thank you to Mr. Dede. Thank you, Mr. Dede. He's probably the only person I've heard directly as a representative of this country apologize to us. That thank you was very diverse for us and very emotional. This is probably the first time we've heard the word "family " that the deceased victim has arrived

at their respective families' homes. There's no one in the hospital that we have the latest information about. Even from the cross-check of the 132 we just cross-checked again, even to a fairly remote area in Malang. It turns out that he is currently in good health. This means that there is one person, the other is in Malang City. Just now, during this live broadcast, the data of one person in Malang City was also entered, and it turns out that it no

longer matches the identity of the person in the hospital. Why is that? Because there are dozens of hospitals whose data we have to connect with the volunteers 'data as well. And currently , we have 130 confirmed deaths. Meanwhile, many of the sick are still scattered in hospitals, including those who have returned to areas unknown to us. Currently, we are asking for help from several council members and politicians in East Java to request

data for assistance, including governors, ee regents, and regional heads. We are asking for help from Jember to Magetan. We ask for help, we ask for help. And once again, Bro, please monitor us, please help us, monitor us. Done. This subitas and also convey to FIFA, please convey this to FIFA that we are victims of the barbarity of the system in Indonesia. Okay, Indra, ee, of course we will monitor it together. You

are the one who is Aremania's public relations officer, yes, it turns out. I am the public relations officer for Aremania, suing. I am the public relations officer for Aremania, suing this. This is Armane suing. Okay. Lastly, Kang Dede. Yes. What I want to convey in this extraordinary event, of course, regarding this humanitarian disaster, I hope I'll try once again to

bridge the state system. Okay. This means Commission 10 is part of the state system, and we've just said that the goal is to ensure the state is present in every disaster situation in Indonesia. Second, when we talk about improving the system, there are indeed many things that need to be fixed in the world of football this month. We in the House of Representatives can only change that system through legislation.

Yes. I and encourage the government to create government regulations or derivative regulations. The rest is up to the football community itself to oversee. So, once again, we in the House of Representatives will encourage the government to immediately expedite the SOP derived from the law. That's what we can do. Because even if I say we'll join the investigation team, it's

certainly not our domain. Our investigation is called a Special Committee. A Special Committee. And a Special Committee is certainly a long process. Meanwhile, this TGPF has probably been submitted, maybe a week ago. The President asked, if I'm not mistaken, a week or two weeks must be there, there must be results. Now, there's an important point that I'm sorry I have to clarify.

It's true that PSSI doesn't receive state budget funds for its organization , but for events like the U21 Championships, yes. For the U21 Championships, uh, 20 or 21 next year, yes. Yes. That has been budgeted, if I'm not mistaken, around IDR 00 billion. IDR 300 billion for the event because it's a state event.

Yes, that means state funds are actually there too, right? But I've tried to cross-check that it's managed not directly by PSSI, but by the Ministry of Youth and Sports. Oh, okay. So, PSSI has never received money directly from the Ministry of Youth and Sports because there have been many irregularities in the past. Yes.

So now, what are the events really prudent about? If the event is for the World Cup, the budget is allocated, and that could be said to be a direct presidential mandate. So what the DPR can do now is closely monitor this budget allocation going forward. We must ensure that state funds don't end up causing victims among the Indonesian people. That's something like that, Bang Akbar. Gentlemen, thank you, Kang Dede, Bang

Sarman Indra, thank you for giving us, uh, what's the name of it? Whatever it is, this grief is too heavy . Uh, football belongs to all of us. But then, if we talk about football while talking about death, I think it's completely irrelevant. Let's wait for the results of the TGF, and then uh, we hope PSSI will improve and our football industry will improve. We'll wait. Okay .