O plano para destruir a Igreja - Entrevista com Dr Taylor Marshall e Bernardo Küster

[Music] foreign in portuguese dr taylor marshall welcome to my channel it's a great pleasure bernardo great to be here when i was in rome last year everybody said you've got to talk to bernardo cooster you got it everyone was talking about bernardo so it's good to connect yes yes yes we met in rome great great month great yes

yes lots have happened since then yes yes i think we should everybody that was there in their descendants should write a book about it of their personal uh experience during that manner yes yes okay so taylor before we start to talk about your book specifically i want to i want you to talk about your personal life and your family because most of brazilians they do not know you

so talk about your family you have a big family here and where you live in the united states what you do for living so brazilians can know you sure i before i was a catholic i was an anglican or episcopalian priest and i just i was studying and and was was convicted about the truths and the claims of the catholic church and my wife and i as we prayed and we were involved in

pro-life work uh we eventually we actually went to rome uh for a visit and we were able to go to mass with pope benedict xvi and and just see so many of the you know the beautiful churches and the relics and the shrines and uh the holy ghost touched us and we became catholics and uh joe and i we have eight children together and um primarily what i do is i do uh

online shows uh catholic programming uh broadcasts on youtube but the main thing is i run and operate the new saint thomas institute and we do online courses uh all over all we have a lot of brazilians in there actually uh i think about 50 nations are represented in the institute and we do you know catholic philosophy catholic theology church history apologetics

old testament new testament right now we're doing a long year-long course on the roman rite and the traditional latin mass and the formation of the liturgy and the mass and all these things it's very exciting it's very neat to be able to do all these online courses and and have students all over the world including down there in brazil great great in the end of your book i'm going to to

read it in english that in the chapter 2 33 called spiritual weapons against the demonic enemies you quote the pope saint pious the 10th when he says in our time more than if ever before the chief strength of our wicked lies in the cardinals and weakness of um good men so do you feel uh like a call not that to not be this a good and

silent man well i mean this is a great time to be a catholic and it's very difficult i know a lot of us are discouraged because there's scandals you know there's sexual scandals and there's financial scandals and there's moral scandals and doctrinal scandals and it's it you can be discouraged to be a catholic it can be embarrassing at times because you see things on the news

and your family and your friends say oh do you hear about that priest or that monsignor or that bishop or that pope but also we have to realize that to be a christian to be a catholic a disciple of jesus christ means that we focus on jesus christ our focus isn't primarily on uh what's going on at the local parish or what's going on in church politics ultimately we're called

to follow jesus and do whatever it takes that we would be sanctified we would become saints and that our family would become saints and that we wouldn't give up that's the difficulty that's the struggle and that's the struggle that i feel today and i think if we take up the traditional catholic norms of piety i mean the traditional liturgies the rosaries the novenas

marian devotion uh scripture reading all these traditional means by which the saints before became holy i think we'll have more encouragement and more hope and we won't be that silent group who allows evil to to take over and destroy not only our church but but our our families and our governments and our societies good i i have a question it's not

concerned about the book but um about these times of the chinese virus that coronavirus are living now do you have mass in your your town your states we we've been very blessed because in the height of the corona hype uh we were able to go to covert masses so not public masses uh traditional latin masses were offered

and then uh fortunately our local bishop about a month ago opened up the masses and so we've been able to attend mass and have our confessions since easter not on easter but after easter things opened up here so we've been blessed i mean we can we can go to confession we can go into our church we go to mass there are masks and there are some distancing um but in general it's

it's somewhat back to normal blessing how about you yeah here in brazil the the situation is quite a bit different because the bishops are now trying to keep the masses away from the people and they are not concerned about this antifa's and all these protests that we have here also in brazil because of all this uh george white thing in the united states

and uh now some bishops some priests are not opening the masses but with a lot of restrictions but my bishop here particularly he didn't open still we do not have masses now for example yesterday which was the sunday we have a mess here in my house so we have to call the priest we have a landing master i call some friends and then have dinner and so i feel like in the catacombs

as the first christians were the christians under the communist regime so it's it that the media here in brazil now they are concerned about the government but they say oh he's not doing anything about the guarana virus but they praise all this gatherings and these antifa's and these protests and everything else they do not say anything about the social distances and stuff

yeah it's it's it's incredible but let's touch on the important issues using now talk about your book and uh the first the first thing i would like to know is um this book might be considered a traditionalist book for example a fascist book a book that is promoting some extreme outright conservative ideologies and ideas so how do how would

you respond to these accusations uh taylor yeah well the the premise of the book is that the the catholic church is currently in the worst state she has ever experienced in 2000 years and i'm i'm talking again like i mentioned before financial uh scandals sexual scandals pedophilia um and moral and doctrinal confusion in the catholic church and then add to

that this whole coven 19 corona crisis and we have churches closed and you know no public masses even on easter sunday so we're in a big big big mess and i wanted to figure out how did we get to such a sad state and i began doing research for this book and you know a lot of people say oh the problems go back to the 60s it's the vatican ii

problem uh and of course i've always been sympathetic to that narrative but as i began to study that i realized we'll know that there are problems already in the 50s and the 40s and then actually you start to see the problems of the modernist controversy under pius the 10th so now you're in the early 1900s and then you have you know free masonic problems our lady of la salette marion apparition showing

no there's a there's an infiltration a compromise in the 1800s so this book infiltration sort of begins the story in the 1840s and it explains how the elites the intellectuals the secret societies in the 1800s which were really getting strong after the french revolution uh how they were able to infiltrate governments but in particular their plan there's a

document called the permanent instruction of the alta vendita and it's a secret society plan by the carbonari on how they will eventually get a pope who holds to secular humanist free masonic ideals communism all religions being equal all religions pointing to the same god nothing distinctive about christ or the catholic church or the seven sacraments so

this happens in the 1840s 1850s and i kind of just trace the lines and the dots through our lady of la salette the saint michael prayer and vision that leo the 13th had pius 10th in his fight with the the modernists and the heretics uh our lady of fatima 1917 uh the uh lateran treaty and then into the 50s and then ultimately into the 60s where you have

the second vatican council in which the liturgies for all seven sacraments were changed and then on with more and more corrupt cardinals and the sex abuse crisis which begins in the 70s really starts to culminate in the 90s and in the 2000s and so i don't really you know people when the book came out a year ago in english people said oh there's a lot of

conspiracy theories bernardo no one is making that allegation against me one year later in fact you know i was just on twitter this morning and someone said everyone who said that marshall's book infiltration was just a conspiracy theory should apologize because one year later we have seen not only all the churches being closed not only the abu dhabi document that

francis put out but also the pachamama incident in which there were idols statues that weren't christian in saint peter's in the church of santa maria even maybe on the altar depending on how you interpret things so there's a lot going on here and it's it's not just something that began with pope francis and it's not just something that began with vatican ii

it goes back even further and i really just see this as a historical argument there's nothing particularly traditionalist about it i don't think there's anything fascist about it the book is primarily uh the story it reads kind of like a novel because it goes so fast and there's so much interesting history but it's really just a history book it gives you the past 200 years of church

history it connects all the dots so you finally say oh that's why the liturgy looks like that or that's why those guys got to become cardinals those bad guys i got to become cardinals so i think it sort of it it gives you what we call i don't know what the portuguese word is but the meta narrative like the bird's eye view yeah it's that

and meta it's the same okay good good yeah meta-narrative the book is a meta-narrative for 200 years of understanding what's going on in the catholic church yeah it it reminded me a lot of uh the hobbit events a lot of the world yeah but not fiction yeah yeah yeah but you're trying to give a broad picture of of the scenario because i see a lot of uh catholics that come to me and they say oh bernard you

have to see that all the problems in the church come back to vatican too i said yes and no because everything you explained that the infiltration um as you call them it's it's a perfect term that started way before way before so um your motivation to do this book what what was the what was the moment when was it when you say okay i have to write this thing in publish

well i'm a convert you know i wasn't raised a catholic i imagine most brazilians uh were raised catholic most likely but i wasn't you know i wasn't right i became a catholic in my when i was i don't know 20 28 or something like that and i'd already been trained in a different protestant tradition so i made a a detailed study and then i made an act of the will and chose to

become a catholic and then when i became a catholic after over a decade of being a catholic i was just so confused i lost my bearings because it was an intellectual conversion so to speak of course because i hadn't been raised in it i just read the books you know i read just like chesterton yeah i read exactly i read

or even benson i read the the council of trent and i you know i read uh the great saints i read the popular literature like saint therese the little flower but i you know also read some robert bellarmine and some st thomas aquinas and some bonaventure and augustine and i realized this is the truth but then you know when i went to the catholic mass you know there's uh

banners and and folksy music and uh they're receiving communion in a line you know they're lined up and no one's kneeling i mean as anglicans we knelt to receive communion out of rail there's no there's no rail if there was a rail they weren't using the rail uh they were receiving in the hand um you know the the priest was more informal and so it was just

you know the things that i read didn't match up with the things i was experiencing and then that's one element and the other element it was just the disappointment of of the leadership of covering up sins covering up scandals and this happens amongst liberals it also happens amongst conservatives so i just wanted to understand how is it that when i'm reading say st thomas aquinas or

robert bellman when they're talking about catholicism it's not what i'm seeing in the local arena right so i wanted to figure that out where did it go wrong and most people say it's vatican too and i i agree but vatican ii was sort of the what i call in the book it was the parade of what had already been happening for a hundred years it was out in front

it was it was in your face and they finally made it public but i found that no this was actually something that had been happening strongly in the in the 19 early 19 odds and then in the 19 teens in the 1920s this was a big fight going on in the church so it's a i think it's important for people to realize that it's not just pope francis it's not just vatican ii that there's something that's

that's slow and ultimately in the beginning of the book focused on this ultimately it's demonic see that's the thing you got to realize that ultimately this is a demonic plan to destroy the faith of people and to move them to everlasting damnation that's the ultimate plan of the dark forces yeah and you you use the the sixth figure the smoke of satan i i feel

i feel the same because when i i converted to the catholic uh faith it was already the time of pope francis and uh i longed for a church i i didn't know at the time and i i still don't know i i see some glimpses here some points here but i feel that the air is smoked you know and i i cannot see the things proper so i think yet your research uh

historically uh speaking was very good and you put on all the thoughts together to clear your vision and talk about this demonic a planned plot because when you call it the plots or in portuguese acrylamides almost the same you talk about a mind behind it correct like his supernatural um intelligence behind it that it's like you know pulling the strings

to do it and put all things together to destroy the church so ultimately you start with this and then in the end you propose some spiritual um solutions or weapons or practices that all catholics must put into their lives to help them to destroy this plot isn't it so and i think that two two uh

things two questions that i have is why did you gave so did you give so much emphasis to our lady la salette in our lady fatima why are these two operations so important and missing so much importance in your book well if if the blessed virgin mary gets off her throne at the right hand of jesus and comes down to talk to us

that's important that's important and i wanted to stress both of those uh apparitions and her engagement with humanity because you know it's one thing to say all the freemasons you know were up to this and they published this document and they were you know infiltrating these seminaries in these dioceses and these bishops and these cardinals but it's another thing if you get the blessed mother

the mother of jesus christ saying the same thing and when you read our lady of la salette and there's there's two versions of our lady of lostalet both are in the appendix the book and i explained why there are two visions and why they're both legit and valid because a lot of people discount one of them she talks about how the church of rome will go into eclipse she talks about persecution of the

papacy she talks about how people need to stop saying christ's name in vain god's name in vain they need to stop uh desecrating sundays they need to rest and go to mass and worship god and then in fatima she gives the three secrets and we know from at least part of the third secret that there is a vision of the pope a

bishop in white and a city half in ruin and so all of these things kind of come together and tell us the same story which is a church which is losing her influence and not just losing her influence but actually being eclipsed the pope being persecuted perhaps the pope it looks like even being murdered martyred and killed and some great crisis

in which the world is is left in some kind of ruin all of these things come together to say the church as we know it in the last 150 years is not in a normal state it's not normal we have a extreme situation on our hands and so i think if you bring in the supernatural which is our lady uh you begin to see that you can't just

say this is a conspiracy theory otherwise you have to say either the blessed virgin mary is wrong or these apparitions are fake and the church has approved both of them i'm not using crazy odd apparitions these are mainstream uh marion apparitions with feast days on the calendar so i think that brings substance to the argument because you get to look at it from the perspective of the virgin

mary the theotokos and then you also get to see it from the perspective of what the popes are saying in their encyclicals and and what's going on in in europe and then from europe to the seminaries and dioceses around the world okay so um you start your book with this merry apparitions and you talk it along along the book but um in the beginning you talk about the

smoke of satan which was the phrase used by the pope uh paul vi so what did he mean about it what he was saying or referred to well yeah paul vi uh in the 70s 1970s says the smoke of satan has entered the church through a crack or through a fissure i don't know how you would say it in portuguese but uh he's referring to the smoke of satan

this is satan's air his his vapor his smoke is in the church it's got into the church and so you know i did a search in the scriptures and i looked for every single place smoke appeared every place except for one place smoke is usually a sign of god's presence and it's a good thing it's it's associated with incense but there's one place in the bible where smoke is associated

with evil and that is in the book of revelation the apocalypse and in the apocalypse we see when the abyss hell is opened for satan to do his his final plan his cunning on earth smoke comes up from the abyss and this is the smoke of satan so it's a reference to the apocalypse it's a reference to the book of revelation and i think that's important for us in our time to realize that whatever you

think of paul vi was referring to the smoke of satan which is a theme a sign in the book of revelation in the apocalypse that's why it's so important great and uh um and you start you justify all this infiltration with the spiritual infiltration you talk about this with the spoke of satan

and then before talking about the communist infiltration in the church and you call belladot and all the the others that give testimony about it you talk about secret societies and the modernism in the church could you give us that and talk about in a nutshell about it sure yeah so beginning in the 1800s you have uh pius ix you have uh leo the 13th you have

uh pius the 10th they're all talking even before that you have all these popes talking about secret societies now in the american context in the anglo-american context we usually use the term free masonic however in france and italy there are different terms so generically we use the term secret society so you have to remember in the 1700s and

early 1800s if you were an intellectual and you said we need to kill all the kings we need to put democracy in we need to have economic socialism we need to remove the catholic church and make all religions equal if you say things like that in the 1700s even still you could be killed or persecuted or or lose your your status in society so the men who

were playing with these ideas and teaching these ideas joined secret societies these are societies uh that men intellectual men join and they discuss these plans and then they also plot these plants so this is the origins i mean people say that the secret society of the freemason started in 1717 in in england in london um people debate that

i kind of talk about the origins of the pre-made sonic secret societies in the book but 1717 is is kind of a good start date for these societies and they they kind of culminate in the in the french revolution then after the french revolution they realize that bloody revolution guillotine doesn't work ultimately they need to change the way that they do revolution

and that is subversive quiet revolution so instead instead of killing everyone in one year let's take 30 years and change the university system change the political system change elementary schools right uh introduce women in the workplace uh sexual revolution all these things that have happened over the past 150 years

it's much it's slower you have to be patient but it's much more effective and lasting because instead of just killing everyone who disagrees with you over time you persuade them or at least force them of social pressure to agree with you and so you know pick any current social movement i mean we're seeing a big one right now in the united states

several of them there's a there's immense pressure on everybody in society to get on board and to express it on facebook twitter at work after jobs everything this is the success of the secret society so much so that they no longer have to be secret bernardo they can be on television i mean we have our popular shows ellen and oprah and he showed uh the night

news they're all promoting what 250 years ago would have been treasonous for promoting in the open yeah yeah this is um i think one of the the points that are important to to talk here is they are not just promoting ideas in church and elementary schools and universities and uh churches and campuses and all of that

but there are i think the most important thing is they're hiding the tradition of the church they are hiding the good theologians the good saints the goods uh the doctrine of that you're they're hiding this they're it's it's like a culture of hiding everything from us so uh in this book we can find a lot of lines

to go you know the lines of uh the the traditional movement within the church that uh tried and still trying to preserve the tradition of the church or the tradition of the liturgy or the tradition of the doctrine of faith or the devotion to our lady and the saints and the the domestic theology and everything else so this hiding strategy is very effective because

they're not just you know trying to to shape your mind you're just now giving some barriers so you cannot know the truth or just even know some very small part of it and they can manipulate you in this way so and then we go to the other um strategy or the order i don't know movement which is the communist movement and

you talk a lot about that um give you could you give us some examples and talk about this because this is one of the the main works i'm doing now and i'm producing a movie okay yeah now called the they are among us the communist infiltration right within the church almost particularly in brazil yeah well it goes back you know communism and the occult all go back to the secret

society free masonic associations uh just yesterday bernardo archbishop vegano uh the whistleblower you know archbishop who who um exposed cardinal mccarrick and exposed the vatican bank scandals he wrote an open letter to president donald trump yeah i i read it incredible it's incredible and did trump too it's very strong and in that

letter bernardo he makes a reference to a latin inscription yes it's an alchemist it's an alchemist uh jk rowling the author of harry potter has it tattooed on her wrist it's also tattooed on the forearms of baphomet you know what baphomet is yeah so it uh it's it's a it's a alchemy slogan which means solve a dissolve separate and coagula

we have an english word coagulate it means like congeal almost the same it's all latin yeah is latin so what the idea is an alchemy is you dissolve the elements that are base and lower and you bring them together into gold by magic well i think it's genius because archbishop vegano wrote trump and he included this he's told him to be aware of this and he put the

the masonic latin slogan solvay at coagula to be aware of this because and it's a it's a sign of baphomet who's a demonic icon idol but it's also a social reality and it's the reality that the communists always impose on society first you must dissolve society you must destroy what has been built and then you have to congeal it coagulate it and bring it back into something that's new

and this new form is the communist structure it's it destroys the family it destroys the church it destroys the economy it's a it's a completely new thing that's supposed to be gold but it actually fools gold it's fake gold and this is the lie that satan told to eve he said no by your human nature you can become as

gods this is the infiltration of judas iscariot you were just talking bernardo about how these clergy they hide the true saints they hide the doctrine they hide the liturgy they hide all the jewels of the catholic faith but it's not just that they hide it they actually manipulate them and use them as props so they use the liturgy they use the mitre they use the crozier they use the

cathedral they use all the icons and images of catholicism but they subvert it so it's just like judas he kisses jesus kissing is an affection but behind the kiss is the betrayal yeah it's just like what the the poll benedict vi said that the liberation theology is not a heresy it's something else because they used

the language and everything else and they fake to be catholics but they changed the meaning of the words using the same words yeah they're pretending they're like i'm kissing jesus i'm wondering jesus but it's it's all fake it's a betrayal the kiss is a sign to hand him over to his enemies and that's what's going on and

so i mean infiltration is not just something that happened 200 years ago it's actually rooted in the christian message jesus said there will be sheeps in wolf's clothing among you there will be false prophets there will be false messiahs jesus said all this would happen so that is one thing that's encouraging bernardo is

you know people say protestants evangelicals charismatics they say look at all the corruption in the catholic church and how can this be the true church christ the king of the church said there will be false shepherds there will be wolves there will be weeds amongst the wheat so it's not surprising that the church in every generation will have a new crop of weeds a new crop of infiltration

that happens over and over and communism is the political manifestation of the spiritual things that we're talking about here so if you level out all religions all gods all scriptures all traditions they're all equal there's nothing left communism is taking that to the political and economic level and taking away all hierarchy all structure all merit you can't say one you can't say that

that worker is better than that worker because they're both going to get paid the same likewise you can't say catholicism is better than islam or catholicism is better than hinduism or are they indian pagan religions precisely so communism is just the political and economic manifestation of the same spiritual lie which is the alchemy which is solve

coagula i hope i hope you can put that on the screen somehow of the baphomet and show the tattoos on its arm solve because this is the demonic lie and they move on it vegan is telling trump this is it yeah or job i think your job in my job is well expressed here in in your book when you talk about san francisco introduction to the whole life

you call the declared enemies of god and his church and heretics and shasmatics must be criticized it must as possible as long as truth is not denied it's a work of charity to shout here's the wolf when it enters the flock or anywhere else this is important so yes uh people this book is uh showing all this information and a lot of more information

a lot of um footnotes too for books and articles you must you know research and read more it's a book that shows show you a lot of books to to to to read and we go to uh the very important issue i think it's one of the most controversial discussions among the catholics is the second vatican council that is a great topic in your book because you

talk about the the previous popes the election of the popes during the before the council during the council and after the council so was there infiltration in the vatican too and um what is it why did you put there about in this topic of infiltration sure yeah i mean the first thing to remember is our lady of fatima said that the third secret uh should be opened in 1960 and

john the 23rd actually opened it early which i don't think was a good thing it shows kind of a bit of disobedience but he opened it in 1959 he said this is not for my time this is not my pontificate and then he called the council vatican ii second backing council he had a bunch of uh schemata drafts that were prepared that were actually pretty good people conservative orthodox people thought they were going to be

good unfortunately as soon as the second vatican council began there was a coup there was an infiltration everybody 100 of people agree on this it's not just a conspiracy theory or traditionalist perspective but everybody realizes that all of the original schemata were were trashed they were dismissed they were voted out and they said we're going to rewrite

everything everything that was prepared for the council gone we're rewriting everything and that was the first domino that fell in vatican john xxiii eventually died and they elected paul the and in the book i show that paul vi has connections with the banks and milan but he also has connections with saul olinsky who's a major

american communist who wrote the rules for radicals which is actually dedicated to satan and it shows how to subvert societies and move them remember we talked about the careful quiet communism that takes time saul linsky literally wrote the book on that we know that he met with paul vi three times and that paul vi read his books so i see paul vi as a as a shadowy character and i i give other

examples of that but the council uh culminated in 1965 and produced all the documents and the key to understanding vatican ii is that it contains weaponized ambiguity they write things so it could be maybe considered conservative or in line with tradition or it could be interpreted in another way and so this is why you've had 50 plus years of fighting over what is

vatican 2 say nobody knows it's written with weaponized ambiguity nobody argues over vatican 1 everybody knows exactly what vatican 1 teaches because it's written in clear language council of trent nobody argues over what trent said it was written in clear language vatican ii was not in paul vi when he closed the council

said that the council itself was not infallible this is key so this is how i think we catholics can understand that yes a council happened but this council has an asterisk next to it it was not infallible and the way it was handled was not the way any previous council had ever been handled and i think everybody agrees that vatican ii is a

unique council it's a pastoral council as they say and and then you just look at the numbers and i document all the numbers baptisms go down ordinations go down women religious go down confirmations go down birth rates go down in the catholic church every adult conversions every single demographic every one of them bernardo down down

down down down major loss of faith a major mistake in the history of the church yeah and uh we are hoping we were hoping for a spring within the church but now we have a terrible winter this expression about the the consequences and the effects of the second amendment council and then from this scenario this chaotic

scenario we have uh we have and still have the resistance and you hold the some bios that society survives the dent some some peters and uh all their movements that are trying to uh recover so to speak lost church uh in the past so is this uh important well i don't i don't know what the situation is in brazil by the way i i've realized more and more over the

past couple years that brazil really is the anchor in south america and i think in the church too i'm really starting to sense that as i talk to more people that that really that the southern hemisphere is brazil you you'll need to keep up your good work and keep praying and keep praying that rosary and going to mass and fasting and all that because you guys are important

um and i think with the with what's going on in the um uh you know how to fight this back and to call out these these heretics is this devotional element you know it's it's calling us back to what is it what what did our grandparents and our great grandparents do that was successful where almost everyone in the next generation was a catholic they may not have been the best

catholic you know you may have had alcoholics or broken marriages but but the catholic faith continued it just it passed on to the next generation something happened or suddenly that began to stop and so people are confused you know in america you know there's some options i go through the book okay if you realize that the catholic church is in big mess what are your options okay you could

just become an atheist and say if this whole thing's a joke i give up you can become a protestant an evangelical and just say well i just want jesus in the bible forget this church forget popes cardinals all these things just give me jesus in the bible and i explain why that's not historical and not an accurate form of christianity you can become eastern orthodox i want sacraments i want liturgy i want all

this but i don't want a pope hope's a problem that's eastern orthodox we also have cere contests in america i don't know if it's a big deal in brazil but yeah yeah we have some we have some but we have now a lot of catholics that are becoming artifacts it's a great problem you do okay uh you know sediment contest is traditional roman latin mass catholics but they don't believe there's been a pope

since 1958 that's an option some people are saying bennett the 16th still the pope francis is not the pope so i go through all of these options and i say look the safe way here is to continue in the catholic church realize it's in a big big mess so you recognize the pope you recognize the hierarchy but you resist it's the recognize and resist position r and r i don't know what it would be in

in portuguese but recognize and resist so we resist we don't disobey on trivial matters we disobey on doctrinal matters moral matters so if for example in america the archbishop of dc told all of his priests they all should go out and protest in the streets with the black lives matter protests do they have to obey that is that something that they owe their obedience they have to go and take part in a

political movement is that what their priesthood means or can they disobey that so you can still recognize the archbishop and resist orders and that's been going on i think catholics in a way have been having to learn how to do that for 50 or 60 years and so the way i think we resist is not by having signs and chanting and doing protests the way it is

is we just reaffirm what was always catholic the rosary your great-grandma your great-grandpa they all prayed the rosary they all went to mass on sunday they all celebrated the holy days right they all affirmed some kind of vocation priest nun brother husband wife they lived sacrificial lives they honored christ the saints all these things

that's what we need to do all the new stuff of uh you know introducing into christianity things like labyrinths and yoga and new age and all the all this nonsense needs to stop we need to go back to the traditional norms of piety because that's what the saints have given us they said this is what worked for me this made me into a saint

this is what you should do why would we ever break from the formula doesn't make any sense yeah perfect yeah this is this is one thing that we must stress in our catholic lives and uh just before we end this interview i think one major point that you um wrote in your book is about the saint galin mafia because we started with all that process

of the smoke of satan which is a spiritual influence within the church and then majority secret societies modernism communism and then the perversion of the liturgy and everything and we end up now with this lgbtqi1 2 plus everything else within the church and uh you see this like it's almost universal within the church in brazil we have great problems with that and then you

use the example of the the ex-cardinal theodore mccarran and um how important is to talk about this so what is the influence of this saint galin mafia within the church uh doctor so aleister crowley is a is a occultist um he's he's actually on the cover of the beatles album sergeant pepper's lonely arts club band he was a he was into alchemy

he was into magic he was into um polytheism and egyptian gods and he created a gnostic catholic church in a gnostic catholic mass and it's a complete sacrilege it's a mockery of the mass and uh its headquarters actually was in switzerland not far from san golon and what we find is in the uh 50s that and then in the 60s uh theodore mccarrick is visiting to this region maybe he's

recruited we don't know we don't know what happened at this time uh one of his victims uh james grimes says he does believe that he was recruited by by someone um and we know that also that that uh crowley had sex magic that was a big part of his liturgy and of his under he was also a communist but sex magic is a big part of it as well and the occult and

in divinities and gods and all this these horrible things so this is happening and headquarters in in switzerland near town called saint gollum and then we learn that these liberal cardinals bishops and archbishops have been meeting every year in sangha and switzerland in order to undermine pope john paul ii and to choose his successor

this was admitted in the uh biography of cardinal de niels who's one of the most liberal pro-abortion uh pro-unnatural marriage uh cardinals that that ever was and was also involved in a pedophilia scandal he says that he even calls it the sankalan mafia that they were meeting together and they wanted to get a pope who would open to women's ordination

uh socialism uniting uh europe the eu um changing liturgy all the things that that are kind of bubbling up right now in the catholic church that's what they were all about at the san calla mafia now they didn't get it because bennett the 16th became the next pope but they made sure somehow that benedict could step down and then they put in their man bergoglio papa francisco's

pope francis so that's the that's the section on the sunk island mafia and that is it is kind of a conspiracy theory except for the fact that cardinal denise who was a leader of it and who was president who was there actually says yeah that's what was going on so you can't really call it a conspiracy theory of something that we think happened when one of the leaders actually says

yes it did happen yeah yeah and the brazilians they usually the catholic brazilian catholics they do not know this they said mafia would i explain them what it is they say i think you are a kind of um despair or creating ideas in your mind as oh this debate in the united states everybody everybody everybody who's concerned about the church knows this everybody everybody in

europe everybody knows it in brazil the ideas are discussed 10 years later when i one time in youtube when i published a video about the lgbt mafia in uh in our church youtube just canceled excluded my video within i i don't know one hour i had a huge problem to put it back again because i did nothing but reading news and testimonies and documents and everything else and testimonies that

bishops and cardinals and priests did to me they talked to me about this and everybody knows here in our in our church here in rodrina where i live uh in brazil we have a priest that passed the hiv virus to a faithful of his church we had this problem and the bishop did didn't do anything and this this this this priest is i don't know celebrating

last year in our town yes ridiculous we had this problem all over brazil and in america too with the mccarrick uh case in europe and all of that so i think this is an issue that catholics must talk about and we we cannot be afraid of that and scream and here's the wolf there's the wolf that that that's a call that we have to to answer and um

taylor to end this great interview i'd like you to give a word to our brazilian friends here and what you have to say to them about your book which is very important so the work is with you i'd like to say to the people of brazil catholics or brazil you are the hub you were the center i as i studied for this book and i i read you know for example about

you know resistance in the 1970s i'm thinking marcelo fev i realized that brazil was a major traditionalist holdout the people of brazil in so many places held true to tradition true to drop to doctrine to to catholicism after the second vatican council uh i'm not wrong about that am i bernardo no no and and so i think that

that you in brazil have this legacy and and i think that you need to continue to to carry that torch and i think you need to prayerfully demand and ask and beg for the traditional sacraments the traditional rights traditional formation for your priests traditional formation for young men and women as they get married so that they can prosper and holy matrimony and have

beautiful families and beautiful children uh and be successful and have happiness so i i think in the past 50 60 years of all the nations brazil has been one of the places of light and of carrying this torch and i don't know exactly what it's like today bernardo but as i read church history and what was going on in the 60s and the 70s in the early 80s brazil keeps coming up again and again

with with good priests and good bishops and good people so i would hope that they'll continue to keep that that legacy alive and i think maybe reading infiltration or as it's called in portuguese infiltratos uh will maybe help them see how brazil is is part of this plan that god has and we didn't talk about it too much for bernardo but to win this back

it's not over we can win it back and at the end i talk about strategies of how we can win back uh and i think brazil will be a very key piece in this puzzle probably because i think that one of the most the the things that people don't see in this all these plots is that yes they have won some battles during these years but we have one thing that they don't

have we can multiply vocations they cannot they can only parasites in our vacations exactly so they are going to die someday and the priests and the young religious people with men and women that are now starting their religious life they are going to endure the endurance to create another vacations and more vacations

and we are going to pass this but the important thing is just you know knowing that we cannot stop for a fight we must continue we must be even stronger even um more faithful and devoted to our lady or lord and all the saints and to know the doctrine so dr taylor i thank you very much for considering who i think that brazilian brazilians and catholics are going to be enlightened by your

your knowledge and your help and you brazilian that if you are hearing this please buy the book uh the link for the link to my bookshop is here in the description and if you are not a brazilian buy the english book in the amazon and give a very good um revision in the amazon so the book can be well rated so dr taylor marshall thank

you very much and maybe god bless us all bernardo thank you so much god bless you